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	<title>Comments on: Copycat frameworks</title>
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	<description>because there are few things that are less logical than business logic</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://jamesmckay.net/2008/03/copycat-frameworks/#comment-2425</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Graeme -- sorry, I didn't realise Grails was "local produce." With these things I tend to think of them by default as coming out of that great amorphous blob called the USA. It looks like you've got quite a good framework going, but as I said, there are a lot of them out there jostling for my attention, and when you're considering these things you need to draw the line somewhere otherwise you'll never get any work done.

The lecture (rootles around in inbox to try and find the e-mail) seems to be something to do with the Sussex Linux User Group and the British Computer Society. It's on the 12th of March and it's called "Build a Web Booking Program in an Hour with Grails." There's some information about it on the Sussex BCS home page at http://www.sussex.bcs.org.uk/ -- the lecturer is a certain Dr Peter Lappo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Graeme &#8212; sorry, I didn&#8217;t realise Grails was &#8220;local produce.&#8221; With these things I tend to think of them by default as coming out of that great amorphous blob called the USA. It looks like you&#8217;ve got quite a good framework going, but as I said, there are a lot of them out there jostling for my attention, and when you&#8217;re considering these things you need to draw the line somewhere otherwise you&#8217;ll never get any work done.</p>
<p>The lecture (rootles around in inbox to try and find the e-mail) seems to be something to do with the Sussex Linux User Group and the British Computer Society. It&#8217;s on the 12th of March and it&#8217;s called &#8220;Build a Web Booking Program in an Hour with Grails.&#8221; There&#8217;s some information about it on the Sussex BCS home page at <a href="http://www.sussex.bcs.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sussex.bcs.org.uk/</a> &#8212; the lecturer is a certain Dr Peter Lappo.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Rocher</title>
		<link>http://jamesmckay.net/2008/03/copycat-frameworks/#comment-2424</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Rocher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a shame. As a fellow Sussex resident (Brighton), and the creator of Grails, it always disappoints me to see how closed minded the Ruby community can be.

Grails takes a very different approach by building on existing Java libraries (Spring, Hibernate, Quartz, Sitemesh etc.) and has features of its own that are worth looking at even for a Rails developer (domain driven development, web flow, declarative transactions etc.)

Do you know who is giving the lecture? I would love to get in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a shame. As a fellow Sussex resident (Brighton), and the creator of Grails, it always disappoints me to see how closed minded the Ruby community can be.</p>
<p>Grails takes a very different approach by building on existing Java libraries (Spring, Hibernate, Quartz, Sitemesh etc.) and has features of its own that are worth looking at even for a Rails developer (domain driven development, web flow, declarative transactions etc.)</p>
<p>Do you know who is giving the lecture? I would love to get in touch.</p>
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